ВИФ2 NE: Ветка : а с непальского переводишь? +

От	Косильщик
К	Николай Манвелов
Дата	10.03.2005 09:56:44
Рубрики	11-19 век; Стрелковое оружие;

а с непальского переводишь? +

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читал на форумах у буржуев, что как тока не называли сей меч, в общм пришли к самому короткому, кукри и все дела...

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От	Николай Манвелов
К	Косильщик (10.03.2005 09:56:44)
Дата	10.03.2005 10:02:29

В смысле? Я в принципе, в Непале детство провел, что-то помню.

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Хорошо помню, что с такими ножиками там никто не ходил уже в начале 1970-х. Использовали как традиционный кинжал, да еще козлам бошки рубили на праздниках.
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От	Бульдог
К	Николай Манвелов (10.03.2005 10:02:29)
Дата	10.03.2005 10:10:35

в 88 ходить не ходили

но он вроде до сих пор штатный у гурков, который в английской армии служат - видел интересные фото - атака в ВВ2, патрулирование в ООН.
Плюс вроде с ними егеря ходят в ACORP.
Отдельное шоу было как я кукри домой вез - долго переживал, но таможенник похоже так и не понял, что это ХО.

От	Косильщик
К	Бульдог (10.03.2005 10:10:35)
Дата	10.03.2005 10:15:28

штатная весч до сих пор +

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>но он вроде до сих пор штатный у гурков, который в английской армии служат - видел интересные фото - атака в ВВ2, патрулирование в ООН.
>Плюс вроде с ними егеря ходят в ACORP.
>Отдельное шоу было как я кукри домой вез - долго переживал, но таможенник похоже так и не понял, что это ХО.

++++++ в ПМВ - нештатный дембельский варитан, потом взяли в штат.
В ВМВ - штатный весч...

В наше время - в штате, и как знак отличия гурхских частей.

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От	Косильщик
К	Николай Манвелов (10.03.2005 10:02:29)
Дата	10.03.2005 10:08:21

эти вещи выпуска ДО 1890 года, с ознаменитого "забытого арсенала" +

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>Привет
>Хорошо помню, что с такими ножиками там никто не ходил уже в начале 1970-х. Использовали как традиционный кинжал, да еще козлам бошки рубили на праздниках.

+++++

В смысле? в смысле перевести что там накалякано шрифтом Девангари... в общем я и так знаю что должно быть написано, но подробнее узнать - было бы здорово.

эка тебя занесло... ножик с клеймом - военный гурхских, второй тоже с арсенала но без
клейм.

http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/5/67515-3.html

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От	Николай Манвелов
К	Косильщик (10.03.2005 10:08:21)
Дата	10.03.2005 10:37:15

Попытка перевода

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На клинке надпись "Уважаемый Ачандр" далее - некий значок "Мидал" (Фамилия). Далее дата - 9106 год. Но это очень странно, ибо не подходит ни под один из непальских календарей. Вы уверены, что кхукхри действительно старый, а не некий новодел? В Непале целая индустрия живет именно подделкой такого рода сувениров для туристов.
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От	Косильщик
К	Николай Манвелов (10.03.2005 10:37:15)
Дата	10.03.2005 11:02:37

я же ссылку давал на арсенал...

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>Привет
>На клинке надпись "Уважаемый Ачандр" далее - некий значок "Мидал" (Фамилия).

+++++ скорее всего вы ошиблись, варианты надписи обычно упоминают 3 касту (премьер министр был такой у них в непале в 19 веке, перестройщик, плохо кончил) и № отряда.

Далее дата - 9106 год.

+++++ это не дата. То, что принимается за единицу , это дробь, т.е. часть № 9/06

Но это очень странно, ибо не подходит ни под один из непальских календарей. Вы уверены, что кхукхри действительно старый, а не некий новодел?

+++++ совершенно точно... + пушсало которым они покрыты, очень воняет и окислилось за 120 лет хранения... его подделать невозможно + ну и репутация фирмы.... а там же купил две винтовки со штыками, Снайдер и Мартини-Генри.

В Непале целая индустрия живет именно подделкой такого рода сувениров для туристов.

+++++ поддельных кукри как бы и нету в природе за отсутствием смысла... новодельные на любой кошелек представлены очень широко...

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От	Николай Манвелов
К	Косильщик (10.03.2005 11:02:37)
Дата	10.03.2005 11:19:22

Боюсь Вас разочаровать :)

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>+++++ скорее всего вы ошиблись, варианты надписи обычно упоминают 3 касту (премьер министр был такой у них в непале в 19 веке, перестройщик, плохо кончил) и № отряда.

В Непале до 1950-х была династия Рана (наследственные). Старшая ветвь - премьеры. младшие наследственные также министры. Как краз в 19 веке Рана и пришли к власти, отодвинув короля.

Пардон, а что такое "3-я каста"? Каст всего четыре, однако Рана относились к высшей касте. Вайши - торговцы - премьер-министры - это сильно!

> Далее дата - 9106 год.

У меня рядом сидит хиндолог, который встртил информацию про "дробь" радостным ржаньем. Никакого номера отряда там также нет. Я еще понимаю, еслиб речь шла о редком наречии. Но это непали, он близок к классическому хинди.

> Но это очень странно, ибо не подходит ни под один из непальских календарей. Вы уверены, что кхукхри действительно старый, а не некий новодел?

>+++++ совершенно точно... + пушсало которым они покрыты, очень воняет и окислилось за 120 лет хранения... его подделать невозможно + ну и репутация фирмы.... а там же купил две винтовки со штыками, Снайдер и Мартини-Генри.

Я за "Снайдера" не скажу, ибо дилетант, но знаю массу случаев, когда втюхивали и не такое. Начиная от лхаских апсо из королевский конюшен и кончая буддистскими текстаими и монетами двухтысячелетней давности.

> В Непале целая индустрия живет именно подделкой такого рода сувениров для туристов.

>+++++ поддельных кукри как бы и нету в природе за отсутствием смысла... новодельные на любой кошелек представлены очень широко...

Еще раз повторю - подделывают все. Поймите - ни один НОРМАЛЬНЫЙ гуркх и невар никогда не расстанется со своим наследственным кхукхри. Это тотем, идол и так далее. Это все равно, что кавказский горец продаст кинжал своего деда.

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Николай Манвелов

От	Косильщик
К	Николай Манвелов (10.03.2005 11:19:22)
Дата	10.03.2005 11:30:26

не боись, даю ссылки, пусть инднолог народ просветит... +

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>Привет
>>+++++ скорее всего вы ошиблись, варианты надписи обычно упоминают 3 касту (премьер министр был такой у них в непале в 19 веке, перестройщик, плохо кончил) и № отряда.
>
>В Непале до 1950-х была династия Рана (наследственные). Старшая ветвь - премьеры. младшие наследственные также министры. Как краз в 19 веке Рана и пришли к власти, отодвинув короля.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331248&highlight=Translation+kukri+requested тут много чего есть

>Пардон, а что такое "3-я каста"? Каст всего четыре, однако Рана относились к высшей касте. Вайши - торговцы - премьер-министры - это сильно!

>> Далее дата - 9106 год.

+++++ кому верить?
>
>У меня рядом сидит хиндолог, который встртил информацию про "дробь" радостным ржаньем. Никакого номера отряда там также нет. Я еще понимаю, еслиб речь шла о редком наречии. Но это непали, он близок к классическому хинди.

+++++ пусть поспорит с коллегами

>> Но это очень странно, ибо не подходит ни под один из непальских календарей. Вы уверены, что кхукхри действительно старый, а не некий новодел?
>
>>+++++ совершенно точно... + пушсало которым они покрыты, очень воняет и окислилось за 120 лет хранения... его подделать невозможно + ну и репутация фирмы.... а там же купил две винтовки со штыками, Снайдер и Мартини-Генри.
>
>Я за "Снайдера" не скажу, ибо дилетант, но знаю массу случаев, когда втюхивали и не такое. Начиная от лхаских апсо из королевский конюшен и кончая буддистскими текстаими и монетами двухтысячелетней давности.

+++++

НИКТО Снайдера не подделывает пока ещё, смысла нет. Одних только винтовок на складе было 55,000 штук + пушки, захваченные англичанами в севастопле и прочие уникальные вещи, например никому неизвестный а-ля гатлинг из двух стволов мартини-генри.

Еще раз повторю - подделывают все. Поймите - ни один НОРМАЛЬНЫЙ гуркх и невар никогда не расстанется со своим наследственным кхукхри. Это тотем, идол и так далее. Это все равно, что кавказский горец продаст кинжал своего деда.

+++++ владельцы этих кукри померли ещё в начале 20 века, если не раньше. Курки long keaf, 19 дюймов - уставной, военный, выдавался солдатам с арсеналов, так же и забирался.

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От	Николай Манвелов
К	Косильщик (10.03.2005 11:30:26)
Дата	10.03.2005 11:38:07

У меня фильтры на работе ;). По ссылке не пустили

>+++++ пусть поспорит с коллегами
Люди его класа ни с кем не спорят :)

владельцы этих кукри померли ещё в начале 20 века, если не раньше. Курки long keaf, 19 дюймов - уставной, военный, выдавался солдатам с арсеналов, так же и забирался.

Регулярной армии как таковой в Непале не было до середины 20 века. Поэтому ссылки на некий "арсенал" меня слегка удивляют. Было ополчение. При этом, люди приходили со СВОИМ оружием, включая ножики.

Николай Манвелов

От	Косильщик
К	Николай Манвелов (10.03.2005 11:38:07)
Дата	10.03.2005 11:42:29

ничего, что по английски?

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>Регулярной армии как таковой в Непале не было до середины 20 века. Поэтому ссылки на некий "арсенал" меня слегка удивляют. Было ополчение. При этом, люди приходили со СВОИМ оружием, включая ножики.

+++++ я фиг их знает... у ангилчан служили с 1815 года? служили! оружие покупали для армии? покупали! а что там не срослось, не ведаю.

http://www.nrapublications.com/tar/Nepal.asp

Top pictures. This vintage image (l.) shows Gurkhas armed with Pattern 1842 muskets and Kukri knives.These Gurkha troopers
(r.) were armed with Snider-converted Pattern 1853 Enfields.

Bottom pictures. Gurkha Havildar (sergeant) Bishnu Thapa (l.) poses with a traditional Kukri knife and a “Long-Lever” Martini-Henry rifle.The Royal Arsenal in Kathmandu was so jammed with arms that much of it had to be removed from upper story windows (center), as the bottom floor was impassable. Inside the arsenal were stacks and stacks of arms (r.), such as these Pattern 1853 Enfields (far r.). All of them were universally dirty, having been covered with almost 200 years of brick dust.

All of us dream of finding buried chests of Spanish doubloons or an undiscovered Rembrandt or a cased Paterson revolver in grandma’s attic. But, in the grim reality of today’s world, it seems as though such romantic notions are just that—notions. Imagine then, coming across not just one or two rare arms—but thousands of them! Improbable? Perhaps. But it did happen—in fact it’s still happening. And it’s one heck of a story.

Origin of the Treasure
As all great treasure hunt stories should, this one begins in the past and involves proud families, intrigue, death, warfare, and fortunes won and lost. The scenario and cast of characters is so bizarre and unusual that no novelist would have the nerve to make them up. But it is true nonetheless.

The .577-450 Martini-Henry Bira gun (above), designed and built in Nepal, operates similarly to the American Gardner gun.
The tale begins some 200 years ago in the exotic Kingdom of Nepal, located at the foot of the Himalaya Mountains. In 1814 the Nepalese Army, composed of legendarily fierce Gurkha fighters, invaded northern India—then under the control of the British East India Company—and occupied the hill stations of Mussoorie, Simla and Dehra Dun.
Needless to say the English were perturbed, not only for the effrontery of the thing, but for the real possibility that they might lose an area boasting some of the most agreeable weather for summer retreats on the sub-continent. They launched a counter-attack, and though initially defeated, after several tries the Company troops, under General David Ochterlony, finally subdued the Ghurkhas, broke through the Katmandu valley and threatened the nation’s capital. Realizing the game was up, the King of Nepal, at the advice of Prime Minister Bhimsen Thapa (more about him later) decided to sign the Treaty of Sagauli, which allowed the British to establish a Resident at Katmandu and permitted them to cross Nepal and trade with Tibet. As well, the Company was allowed to recruit Gurkha soldiers into its armies. As a further part of the agreement, the British vowed to supply the Nepalese armies with small arms, artillery and ammunition—a promise, as we shall see later on, that was more than generously fulfilled.
During hostilities, both the British and Gurkhas gained considerable respect for one-another regarding their tough fighting abilities and chivalric behavior. For example, in one of the earlier campaigns the British built a monument to the Gurkhas which was inscribed, “They fought in their conflict like men and, in the intervals of actual conflict, showed us a liberal courtesy.” Gurkhas, carrying their deadly trademark kukri knives, have remained an important element of the British Army ever since, and they have served proudly in scores of campaigns and both World Wars. They remain among the most respected and highly decorated fighting forces in the world.

But, back to Nepal. After many years of honorable government service, Prime Minister Bhimsen Thapa (remember him), decided to retire to his country estate. Things weren’t to rest there however, for palace intrigues resulted in his being lured back to Katmandu in 1839 where he was imprisoned on charges of high treason. Bhimsen, a proud man, refused to be broken under torture. Finally, he was told that his senior wife and children would be dragged naked through the streets of the city. Unable to deal with the shame, the former prime minister hanged himself in his cell. Upon hearing of his death, Bhimsen’s wife, who was residing at the family’s ancestral palace, Lagan Silekhana, hung herself from one of the residence’s high windows. Even today, a rope is suspended from the window in tribute to the statesman and his wife.
In 1845, Bhimsen Thapa’s nephew became prime minister and set about righting the wrongs that had been done to his uncle, deftly removing all enemies in a subsequent purge. Lagan Silekhana was never reoccupied, and instead turned into a royal arsenal to house British gifts as well as home-fabricated arms and equipment.

Top: Gehendra Rifle
Bottom: Martini-Henry “Short Lever”

The Treasure Hunt
The story now jumps forward a century or so to 1969 when Christian Cranmer, now president of Int’l Military Antiques, was walking along Oxford Street in London with an old boarding school chum one day. His friend, whose parents were in the high-end antiques business, had just returned from Nepal with a fantastic story about meeting a Russian ex-ballet dancer who owned a hotel in Kathmandu.
According to the Russian, there was an incredible cache of arms in an old palace in the heart of the city. Interested, Cranmer’s friend visited the arsenal and, if anything, found his guide’s claims to be considerably understated. It was an Aladdin’s cave full of wonderful things.
After hearing the tale, Cranmer immediately set about verifying the story and discovered that it was true. He began negotiations with the authorities, but as always there was a glitch. Several different governmental agencies felt that the material came under their jurisdiction, and it became almost impossible to determine exactly who to deal with.
Finally, in 2000, because of a serious lack of up-to-date weaponry to fight Maoist rebels—and an even greater lack of funds to pay for it—the Nepalese decided to start accepting offers. After rather tortuous negotiations, Cranmer and his partner, Sudhir Windlass, owner of Atlanta Cutlery, emerged victorious.

Mk IV Martini-Henry "Long Lever"

Originally the bid was for 200 tons of armament, but after it was learned that there were 146 cannons destined for smelting, and an almost equal number of artillery carriages that were systematically being burned, it was decided that these too should be included in the package, bringing to 430 tons the total of everything from bayonets and knives to siege guns. Congratulating themselves on their successful bid, Cranmer and Windlass didn’t realize their troubles were just beginning.
Arriving in Katmandu in January, 2003 for a one-month stay to supervise the packing and shipping of their prize, Cranmer made a tour of the palace and realized that the job would be considerably more complicated than he had originally thought.
At one time, with its gilded wall decoration and exotic murals, Langan Silekhana must have been one of the most splendid residences in Nepal, but after 200 years of neglect it was, as described by Cranmer, “absolutely filthy.” The rooms of the palace, which had no electric lights or running water, were stuffed from floor to ceiling with stacks of muskets, swords, rifles and artillery. To make matters worse, working space was at a minimum and everything was covered in layers of black brick dust (seven tons of which still falls on Katmandu daily). Realizing the job was going to be more difficult than originally imagined, Cranmer dug in and started removing the treasure. Much of the material actually had to be passed out through high windows, as there was no way it could be negotiated out of first-floor doors. Every day brought new revelations. Of course, they knew about the Pattern 1842 muskets and Snider and Martini-Henry rifles, but who could account for the piles of Model 1853 Slant-Breech Sharps carbines and rifles, or the million or so musket flints and .75-cal. Brown Bess musket balls? Or what about the bronze cannon emblazoned with the cipher of Catherine the Great?
His one-month stay stretching to half a year, by June Cranmer had all 430 tons packed into 31 containers and ready to be moved south, through India from Kathmandu to Calcutta. Unfortunately the convoy was hit by a monsoon, and a trip that should have taken three days took three grueling weeks.
Despite adversity, all the loot is now in two locations in the United States, at Int’l Military Antiques in New Jersey and Atlanta Cutlery in Georgia, where it has been unpacked, is being cleaned and currently offered for sale. I recently took a tour of IMA’s facilities, and, frankly, it was virtually impossible to keep a journalistic detachment concerning what I saw. The only word for it—and really it’s quite inadequate—is “Wow!”
For example, for years I have treasured my very-good condition Mark II Martini-Henry rifle. Let’s face it, until recently these things—in any kind of shape—were difficult to come by. Imagine now, if you will, walking into a huge storeroom where Martinis of various models and in different stages of preservation (most of them quite good, I might add) are stacked to the ceiling, wall-to-wall. This scene is repeated time and time again with such things as Pattern 1853 Enfield, Sniders, Pattern 1842 muskets, boxes of bayonets, stacks of swords, piles of kukris, bags of flints, pyramids of cannon barrels—it just goes on and on. Unfortunately space limitations don’t allow me to talk about everything I saw there, but I’ll try to touch on the high points and describe some of the more interesting and abundant items. Bear in mind, now, that I’m a real British Colonial buff so I might have a tendency to get a bit hyperbolic—but I’ll try and remain as balanced as possible.

The Arms
Pattern 1853 Enfields, Sniders: Probably the most interesting arms to the American collector, especially Civil War buffs, would be the P’53 Enfields. This was one of the most widely used rifle-muskets during the War between the States, and it was Britain’s mainstay longarm for decades. Later, many would be converted to breechloaders via the Snider system invented by New Yorker Jacob Snider. All of the P’53s and Sniders I saw at IMA were of the early pattern with barrel band springs. Most of the locks were unmarked, and all indications point to the fact that they were manufactured in India. Quality was quite good, and the condition of samples I pulled from the stacks was just fine. They are very nice guns, generally, in .577 caliber. Bayonets are available.

Pattern 1839, 1842 Muskets: Prior to the introduction of the P’51 and P’53 Enfields, the Pattern 1842 (and earlier Pattern 1839 flintlock conversions) were the workhorses of the British Army. The Nepalese P’42s and P’39s at IMA were in very presentable condition. All were of the East India Company style, featuring spurred trigger guards. Lock markings usually had EIC insignia, but some had private contractors’ names, as well. The P’39 shown here, for instance, was put up by Manton of Calcutta—one of the preeminent makers on the sub-continent. Bayonets are available, and all the guns I viewed had the India-pattern bayonet catch. As well as standard muskets, there are a few of the more scarce Sapper & Miners Carbines, again, EIC marked, but with the Hanoverian spring catch. The guns are in .73 caliber. Bayonets are available for all of them—even the scarce S&M sword bayonet.

Top: The Sharps rifles (above) featured 40" long barrels and were apparently intended to be fitted with socket bayonets. The Sharps carbines were all brass-mounted and fitted with 20" barrels and ladder-style rear sights. Both had Lawrence pellet primers and unique sling swivels that replaced the normal hinge pins.
Bottom: The author (r.) and IMA President Christian Cranmer (l.) inspect a pair of the mysterious Nepalese Sharps rifles.
Martinis: I spotted three basic types of Martini-Henrys—“Short-Lever” Martini-Henrys of varying models, Mark IV “Long-Levers” and the Nepalese-manufactured Gehendra rifles, which were built on the Westley Richards pattern. Despite being the most interesting of the batch from a design standpoint, the Gehendras had some functioning problems, so the British, at various times, sent over the other two models to supplement them. All Martini-Henrys I saw were British ex-military issue and were decorated with the proper “VR” and crown cipher, as well as the model number and date. Most had stock markings indicating they had been sent from Indian arsenals. Condition ranged from basketcases to some in excellent shape. Most were just fine, and if you’re a fan of the film “Zulu,” you could do much worse than having one these Mark IIs in your collection. They are in .577-450 caliber, and bayonets are available.

Sharps Rifles, Carbines: These were certainly the most interesting arms I looked at. Both the rifle and carbine are built on the 1853 Slant Breech pattern and include the Lawrence pellet primer. The ones examined had no markings whatsoever, and general quality, while not bad, was not up to the standard Sharps product. Carbines had brass fittings (to include a patchbox) and long sling bars. Barrels measure 22". Sights were of a couple of styles, one similar to earlier Sharps carbines and others looking much like those on P’53 Enfields. The rifles are quite long (40" barrels) and fittings, to include a spurred fore-end cap, are of brass. A large rear sling swivel takes the place of the standard lever pivot. Christian tells me that he had the stock wood analyzed and that it is Honduran mahogany—quite interesting. There are no records of these arms anywhere in Nepal or Britain. While the quality hints at indigenous manufacture, IMA’s researcher in England states that “an American connection cannot be ruled out.” While the guns are dinged and dirty from storage, condition is generally quite good, indicating that they saw little or no use. The guns appear to be around .54 caliber. No bayonets have been found.

Brown Bess Muskets, Baker/Brunswick Rifles: All the Brown Bess muskets were pretty much in pieces, and looked unsalvageable. The good side of this is that there will be plenty of spare Brown Bess parts available, including some very nice locks. Research seems to indicate that the guns themselves were made in India, but that the locks were manufactured in England and stamped with Nepalese markings. Despite earlier reports no Baker Rifles were brought back from Nepal, though there were a number of Brunswicks—both standard models and smoothbored Indian patterns. I only saw one example of the latter, and it was in good shape. Brown Bess, Baker and Brunswick bayonets are available.

Knives, Swords: Probably the greatest treasures in the blade category are the high-quality early (19th century) kukri knives. There are also some later ones. The blades are marked with Nepalese writing, and all seem to be in excellent condition. Heretofore it’s been difficult to get a real issue kukri at a reasonable price. No longer—these are a good deal and highly recommended. As well, I saw piles of British military swords of varying styles, as well as Indian tulwars—some with pretty fancy decoration. Those Brit swords with hilts decorated with royal ciphers seemed to lean heavily toward the George V period (post 1911) and had “GRI” (“George, Rex Imperator”—George, King Emperor) indicating Indian Army origin.

Artillery: Frankly, this was some of the most fascinating material in the trove. To begin with, IMA/Atlanta Cutlery brought back several Bira Guns. These are double-barreled, Nepalese-made-and-designed mechanical machine guns based on the Gardner principle. Chambered in .577-450 Martini-Henry, they are nothing if not imposing. From their huge boxy steel receivers through their gigantic drum magazines and massive field carriages, they are undoubtedly the strangest looking automatic arms ever built—and they’re also really neat. There were tons (literally) of other artillery pieces from stubby little mortars to some pretty heavy-duty brass howitzers. I was particularly impressed with some Russian guns that looked similar to those in photos taken during the Crimean War. More than likely they were captured in the Crimea and eventually sent surplus to Nepal. Who knows, they could have been in the batteries that fired upon the Light Brigade! There were a large number of brass Napoleonic-period guns that had been converted to breechloaders, as well as a British nine-pounder muzzleloading field gun of Zulu War vintage that had been altered to breechloading and fitted with a recoil mechanism. The earliest piece noted was a Russian brass cannon cast with the arms of Catherine the Great, though there were some mortars that looked as though they could predate that.

Other stuff: As noted earlier there are just too many different items to cover them adequately. Noted in passing and recommended are Martini-Henry combination tools and oil bottles, as well as Brown Bess flints and musket balls.

So there you have it, this century’s first—and perhaps last—great firearm treasure hunt. The nice thing about it is, unlike much material brought up from the Caribbean or North Atlantic, the riches can be purchased by the average enthusiast. History on such a grand scale has rarely been so affordable.

Фотки просто обалдеть...
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К	Косильщик (10.03.2005 11:42:29)
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фотка митральезы

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К	Косильщик (10.03.2005 11:42:29)
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Отец обещал посмотреть, но его тоже очень смущает датировка на клинке (-)

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К	Николай Манвелов (10.03.2005 11:49:56)
Дата	10.03.2005 11:54:58

западные ориенталисты грят, что это дробное число а не дата. (-)

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К	Косильщик (10.03.2005 11:30:26)
Дата	10.03.2005 11:34:35

статья в авторитетном издании RNA

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http://www.nrapublications.com/tar/Nepal.asp

я купил кукри в одной из компаний, упомянутых в статье.

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К	Косильщик (10.03.2005 11:34:35)
Дата	10.03.2005 11:37:09

и ещё одна статья о непальском кладе оружия

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http://www.sportsmansguide.com/section/section.asp?s=3271

там и про премьер министра есть, который удавился в камере после пыток а его жена повесилась со второго этажа дворца и в память об этом верека из окошка свисает...

Мои кукри - антикварные и подлинные, эксперты по кукри это признают и покупать там где я купил, не стесняются.

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От	Николай Манвелов
К	Косильщик (10.03.2005 11:37:09)
Дата	10.03.2005 11:41:42

Мой отец прожил 10 лет в Непале. Автор нескольких книг

Привет
Книги переведены на иностранные языки и на них ссылаются весьма солидные люди.
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К	Николай Манвелов (10.03.2005 11:41:42)
Дата	10.03.2005 11:44:01

крута, пусть поглядит форум по клеймам кукри...

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+++++ мне его без фоток сюда не реал закопировать... :)

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другая статья +

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http://www.sportsmansguide.com/section/section.asp?s=3271

Buried treasure found in Kathmandu...historic "gold!"

Rare British Empire originals. Imagine, if the day after the Battle of Gettsburg, all the discarded rifles and bayonets were piled in an old farm building and ignored for 130 years. That's the situation here. These Nepalese treasures were mostly supplied by the British who ruled the Indian subcontinent. Items have been used, stored and basically forgotten in excess of 100 years.
Like an uncovered time capsule! Generations of dust and dirt have insulated the items in a thick, protective cocoon. Cool, dry temperatures of the Indian region preserved the antiques and basically eliminated corrosion-causing moisture. Condition: used, in good shape.

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YES...the classic 1975 blockbuster film, starring Sean Connery and Michael Caine, portrays two ex-soldiers in India when it was under British rule. This is the same time capsule for the making of this sensational deal! What's more, the movie depicts use of the Martini-Henry Mark II 1871 Rifle offered here!

Huge deal over 30 years in the making!
Rare antique British Victorian armament from the Royal Nepalese Army have not been available for decades. Until now. In the midst of the old city of Kathmandu sits Lagan Silekhana, a 16th century palace. It was the ancestral home of the Thapa family. Having negotiated a peace treaty with Britain in 1816, Nepal came under British influence. And the palace eventually became the Royal Armory. This is where many of the 19th century firearms and military items offered here have laid undisturbed...in this huge, multi-level palace for over 100 years. At last, purchase terms were accepted!

The story of these fine collectibles is as rich and noteworthy as the weapons themselves. In 1814, Gurkha fighters invaded and occupied several key hill stations in North India. The British considered the stations invaluable, as their location provided a cooler respite from the unbearably hot Indian summer. In response to the Gurkha aggression, Britain mounted a full scale invasion of Nepal, eventually resulting in an 1816 treaty which allowed the British to cross Nepal and trade with Tibet. Nepal would remain independent, but would be under British "influence." The British could now enlist Gurkha soldiers, and soon began supplying the Nepalese with the latest in modern weaponry, including Snider and Martini Henry Rifles.

Nepalese Prime Minister Bhimsen Thapa enjoyed many years of prosperity after signing the treaty with the British and retired to his country estate in the late 1830s. However, he was soon lured back to Lagan Silekhana Palace (his family's ancestral home) by his enemies and imprisoned under charges of high treason. To break Thapa's spirit, his enemies informed him that his wife would be dragged naked through the city. But the night before the threat was to be carried out, Thapa hanged himself in his cell. After hearing the news, his wife threw herself from a high window of the palace with a rope around her neck. To this day, a rope still hangs in that very spot in homage to the Prime Minister and his wife.

Soon thereafter, Thapa's nephew became Prime Minister and conducted a full-scale inquiry to exonerate his uncle's name. Much bloodshed followed, and all of Thapa's original enemies were eliminated. However, the Lagan Silekhana Palace was never again occupied by the Thapa family. Instead, it became the Royal Nepalese Armory...home to hundreds of British-made weapons, including those offered here. Now, after laying untouched for over 100 years, these long-lost firearms have finally been recovered. Negotiations for their recovery spanned over 30 years. But rest assured, once you see the remarkable condition of these fine antiques, you'll agree...they were worth the wait!

Yes, 100 years in storage is a long time, and time can do much damage to an antique, especially a firearm. However...the climate in mountainous Nepal is notoriously dry. This lack of moisture created an ideal environment for these long-lost weapons - an environment void of moisture and mildew. As a result, these historic weapons are remarkably preserved, right down to the original British and Nepalese inscriptions on the metal parts and stock. You can clearly see each weapon's date of manufacture, along with the unmistakable Crown Crest of Britain's Queen Victoria. You've heard the saying, "When opportunity knocks...?" Well, if you're a firearms collector, history buff or antique connoisseur, opportunity knocks at your door today. Don't miss this chance!

This is truly a one-chance opportunity to add to your British Colonial military collection. Quantities are very limited. Act now to be among the first to own. Satisfaction guaranteed. Club Members can make 4 equal payments. NO extra charges.

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