От	apple16
К	Said Aminov
Дата	08.02.2005 14:28:43
Рубрики	Армия; ВВС;

Re: Есть ли...

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1. Из Джейна маленькие
https://vif2ne.su/nvk/forum/files/Apple16/gammon.zip
Цветные это чехи и поляки
(про корейцев есть только мутные намеки и все)

2. Из курятника есть вот такая статейка
(есть еще несклеиваемые обрывки одной фотографии польской)

Michal Fiszer, Jerzy Gruszczynski. Journal of Electronic Defense. Norwood: Nov 2001. Vol. 24, Iss. 11; p. 30 (2 pages)


The Russian Tu-154 civilian airliner that crashed in the Black Sea on October 4 was accidentally shot down by a S-200 Vega (SA-5 Gammon) surface-toair missile (SAM) system, fired during military exercises in the Crimean region of Ukraine. According to sources, the aircraft passed within range, as the 5V28 missile (as the SA-5 system's missile is designated) was launched towards a La-17 unmanned aerial target. The exercise was not purely national but combined, with both Ukrainian and Russian forces participating, so at press time it was not certain who was actually firing and who was supervising the fatal launch.

This much is clear: The S-200's 5N62 (Square Pair) radar was tracking the target and the missile, and soon illuminated the target. The 5N62 radar has two tracking antennas/channels, both able to track the missile and the target, while the larger of the two antennas has also ability to search the narrow sector of airspace along the line of sight. Illumination of a target is done using a separate channel, and until the missile begins its semi-active radar homing, it is supervised by an operator, who observes its approach to the target.

In this particular case, it is most likely that the long-range illuminator designated two targets on the same line-of-sight bearing - the La-17 and the unfortunate Tu-154. The 5N62 radar's illumination beam is narrow, but since the distance to the La-17 was 90 miles, it was still wide enough to cover the Tu-154 about 170 miles away as well. The missile received two radar returns and headed towards the stronger one: the Tu-154, which has a much larger radar cross-section than the tiny La-17. The missile missed its "intended" target, but was still locked on the second one. In such a situation, the only reasonable solution is to send a self-destruct command. Either this was not done, or the missile simply failed to self-destruct on command, although the former appears most likely. Due to what can only be called amazing negligence, the SAM crew did not notice that the missile had locked onto the wrong target. The airliner was actually beyond the range of the S-200 system but was hit anyway by fragments of the ensuing nearby explosion of the 5V28 missile. The missile's officially stated range is 145 miles, but that figure relates to 0.8 kill probability. The 170-mile distance could, however, be covered with the kill probability reduced by a certain degree (about 0.2-0.3). In fact, according to sources, firing at these longer ranges was "successfully explored." The hit was probably taken for automatic self-destruction, which is set to occur at a certain time after launch, the equivalent of flight time for the maximum range plus several seconds.

No matter what, however, no air traffic should have been allowed within the SAM's range envelope, and the presence of an unknown object along the same line-of-sight bearing should have been noticed and live firing suspended. Furthermore, the missile should have self-destructed upon the ground command as soon as it had passed the target, and the radar should brake lock in any case when the self-destruct command fails to destroy the missile. Finally, if the crew training on the system did not notice or understand what was going on, the team supervising them should have reacted. - Michal Fiszer and Jerry Gruszczynski


[Photograph]
A missile from a S-200 air-defense system, fired during joint Russian-Ukrainian military exercises in the Crimea, brought down a Russian airliner over the Black Sea. Neglect and incompetence are to blame for the accident, which claimed the lives of all 77 aboard the plane.



Ну и к делу не относится но фото хорошее

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От	mike@nmd
К	apple16 (08.02.2005 14:28:43)
Дата	08.02.2005 20:14:15

за фотку 25-тки большое спасибо

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если интересно - посмотрите www.c25.ru - правда идея проекта несколько "самобытна", но все же...

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От	Said Aminov
К	apple16 (08.02.2005 14:28:43)
Дата	08.02.2005 14:49:01

Спасибо! А иранцев, ливийцев, сев.корейцев, болгар нету? (-)

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От	apple16
К	Said Aminov (08.02.2005 14:49:01)
Дата	08.02.2005 14:59:31

Так не нашел

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Надо шерстить всякие местные сайты
и партнерские программы НАТО
- часто народ бегает с цифровиками
и щелкает всякую экзотику.

Например тут
http://www.afsouth.nato.int/
в разделе Images
я кучу румын болгар и украинцев наковырял
(корабли понятно), хотя шансы негарантированны

Вам вот такое будет интересно
http://www.afsouth.nato.int/operations/NATOTurkey/PhotosPATRIOTS.htm

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От	А.Никольский
К	apple16 (08.02.2005 14:28:43)
Дата	08.02.2005 14:39:29

недавно показывали кадры с иранского парада с ракетой 5В28

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не встречали?

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