От Мазут
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Дата 09.10.2001 18:50:06
Рубрики Современность; Армия; Локальные конфликты;

Канада пошла-таки на войну.....

Мир вам,

Вот о чем написала сегодняшняя Vancouver Sun....

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2001
Canada sends troops to war

Frigate HMCS Vancouver


А здесь файл про канадские силы: https://vif2ne.su/nvk/forum/files/Mazut/Canada_force.doc

Ships, aircraft and 2,000 troops deployed to U.S.-led campaign against terror
By JANICE TIBBETTS
OTTAWA — Canada is sending 2,000 members of the Armed Forces to join the U.S.-led campaign against terrorism in a deployment that will include six warships, six aircraft, and the country's special anti-terrorism force.
The contingent will begin leaving in the next few days for a fight that "will be unlike any campaign we've ever engaged in before," Defence Minister Art Eggleton said Monday.
"Every role in this campaign is significant, every country determined to halt terror can make an important difference in the road that lies ahead," he told a news conference at the department of national defence headquarters.
"Make no mistake about it, this will be a long campaign."
HMCS Vancouver will sail from the West Coast to integrate into a United States carrier battle group.
Prime Minister Jean Chretien has already acknowledged that lives could be lost in what he said would be a painful fight to eradicate terrorism.
Personnel will be sent from Equimalt, Halifax, and Trenton, Ont, as well as Dwyer Hill, Ont., home of the special anti-terrorism Joint Task Force 2.
The contribution is on a par with Canada's participation in the Gulf War more than 10 years ago.
The length of Canada's involvement is uncertain, but the initial deployment is for six months.
Neither Eggleton nor General Raymond Henault, chief of the defence staff, could say when the Canadian forces will arrive in the Middle East to join the coalition. Nor is it known where they will be based or even whether any Canadians will be sent into Afghanistan.
Lieutenant-Commander Yves Vanier, with navy public affairs in Esquimalt, said HMCS Vancouver will continue for now with its scheduled participation in a military exercise off San Diego.
The ship left Esquimalt on Saturday for the Maritime Coordinated Operational Training (MARCOT) exercise involving American and Chilean forces.
The exercise, which also includes Esquimalt-based navy ships Algonquin and Ottawa, is set to get under way today and runs through Oct. 16.
Vanier couldn't say which American carrier battle group Vancouver will be assigned to but said the frigate will return to Esquimalt before deploying on the anti-terrorism mission.
The ship will be under com-tnai lies aneaa, ne loia a news conference at the department of national defence headquarters.
"Make no mistake about it, this will be along campaign."
HMCS Vancouver will sail from the West Coast to integrate into a United States carrier battle group.
Prime Minister Jean Chretien has already acknowledged that lives could be lost in what he said would be a painful fight to eradicate terrorism.
Personnel will be sent from Equimalt, Halifax, and Trenton, Ont., as well as Dwyer Hill, Ont, home of the special anti-terrorism Joint Task Force 2.
The contribution is on a par with Canada's participation in the Gulf War more than 10 years ago.
The length of Canada's involvement is uncertain, but the initial deployment is for six months.
Neither Eggleton nor General Raymond Henault, chief of the defence staff, could say when the Canadian forces will arrive in the Middle East to join the coalition. Nor is it known where they will be based or even whether any Canadians will be sent into Afghanistan.
Lieutenant-Commander Yves Vanier, with navy public affairs in Esquimalt, said HMCS Vancouver will continue for now with its scheduled participation in a military exercise off San Diego.
The ship left Esquimalt on Saturday for the Maritime Coordinated Operational Training (MARCOT) exercise involving American and Chilean forces.
The exercise, which also includes Esquimalt-based navy ships Algonquin and Ottawa, is set to get under way today and runs through Oct. 16.
Vanier couldn't say which American carrier battle group Vancouver will be assigned to but said the frigate will return to Esquimalt before deploying on the anti-terrorism mission.
The ship will be under command of the Americans but the Canadian chief of defence staff must be consulted about decisions on how to use the ship, Vanier said. He doesn't know where the ship will end up.
Vancouver is versatile and can contribute to an operation with anti-submarine, anti-air and anti-surface warfare.
"We are the only navy in the world that can integrate as part of a U.S. carrier battle group - because of our training and exercises and good relationship with the US.," Vanier said.
Vancouver carries a Sea King helicopter with a flying and support crew of about 20. The Sea Kings are part of 443 Maritime Helicopter Squadron based at Pat Bay just west of Victoria International airport.
CFB Comox is base to five West Coast Auroras, which among their duties keep an eye out for drug and migrant smugglers. However, CFB Comox spokesman Captain Jeff Manney said he has been ordered to direct all questions to Ottawa.
It is unlikely Auroras from Comox will be deployed, at least initially, as the East Coast has a larger number.
Chretien committed the troops, planes and ships in a telephone conversation with U.S. President George W. Bush on Sunday about 45 minutes before the first missiles began raining down on Kabul in the middle of Thanksgiving weekend.
The campaign is aimed at punishing the Taliban for harbouring Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect in the Sept. 11 attacks in New York and Washington that killed more than 6,000 people.
The 2,000 military personnel being provided by Canada for the war on terrorism come on top of the 2,175 Canadian soldiers, sailors and air force members that are already on 12 separate missions around the world, including a ground squad in Bosnia.
The military will be put under additional pressure today when the head of NATO asks Chretien to send troops to backfill for the U.S. so its soldiers can leave the Balkans to fight against terrorism.
NATO Secretary-General George Robertson said Monday he will lobby Canada to fill in the gap for American peacekeepers. In Ottawa to address the NATO parliamentary assembly, Robert-son said he will make his appeal to the prime minister in a meeting this morning.
"I've got indications the Canadians would be willing to do that if they were asked to do it," Robertson said at a news conference.
Although the U.S. has not asked for Canada to send ground troops for the Afghanistan operation, Henault said that could change and a contingency plan involving soldiers is currently being crafted.
With Canada deploying a significant portion of its military resources, Eggleton and Henault moved to ease fears about security at home at a time that many Canadians are worried about retaliation.
Protection of Canadian air space is being expanded rather than curtailed and all security forces are on "high alert," they said.
"There is no indication of a threat to Canada," said Eggleton.
With files from Gemrd Young, Victoria Times Colonist


Canada's military contribution to the offensive:
Helicopters
CH-124 Sea King
Size: 22.12 metres long.wingspan 18 metres. Height 5.13 m weight 8,680 kg Capabilities: Speed 280 kilometres an hour, ceiling 3,077 metres, range 648 km, load 2,250 kg
Equipment: Forward Looking Infrared Radar (FUR), Passive/Active Sonar Armament: Mk 46 Mod V homing torpedoes, self-defence machine gun Crew: 2 pilots, 1 navigator, 1 airborne electronic sensor operator Year(s) procured: 1963 to 1969 Quantity in CF: 29 Number available: 3
Destroyer
HMCS Iroquois
Size: 129.8 metres long, 15.2 metres wide. Displaces 5,100 tonnes at full load.
Armament: One 76mnm, rapid fire cannon. Six torpedo tubes, 32 vertical launch tubes with Standard surface-to-air-missiles effective out to 70 kilometres and 19,000 metres in altitude. Phalanx 20mm close-in air defence system.
Aircraft: Two Sea King helicopters. Usual crew: 280.
Frigates
HMCS Vancouver HMCS Charlottetown HMCS Halifax
Size: 134.1 metres long, 16.4 metres wide. Displaces 4,700 tonnes at full load.
Armament: One 57-mm cannon, Harpoon anti-ship missiles, eight Sea Spar-
row anti-air missiles with a range of 22 kilometres at an altitude of 15,000 metres. Phalanx 20-mm close-in air defence system.
Aircraft: One Sea King helicopter. Usual crew: 225 each.
Supply vessel
HMCS Preserver
Size: 171.9 metres long, 23.2 metres wide, Displaces 24,700 tonnes at full load. Can caiify 15,000 tonnes of fuel, up to 1,000 tbnnes of dry cargo, 1,200 tonnes ammunition. Armament: Phalanx 20-mm close-in air defence systems, chaff and flare dispensers to fool missiles. Aircraft: Up to three Sea King helicopters. Usual crew: 365.
Tactical transport
C-130 Hercules
Size: 29.79 metres long, 40.41-metre wing span, weight 70,000 kilograms. Capabilities: Speed 556 km/h, ceiling 10,700, range 3,900 kms to 9,700 kms depending on load, maximum load 17 tonnes or 92 passengers.
Armament None. Chaff and fate dispensers. Crew: 2 pilots, 1 navigator, 1 flight engineer, and 1 toadmaster. Number available: 32.
Maritime patrol aircraft
Aurora
Size: 35.61 metres long, 30.37-metre wing span, weight 64,000 kgs.
Capabilities: Speed 750 km, ceiling 10,700 metres, range 9,260 kms. Sensors: Sub-hunting sonobuoys, forward-looking infra-red camera, magnetic anomaly detector, radar, night vision goggles, gyrostabilized binoculars. Armament: Torpedoes, flare dischargers, can carry air-to-surface missiles. Crew: Minimum mission crew 10, typically 12 to 15. Number available: 15
Transport aircraft
Polaris (Airbus)
Size: 46.66 metres long, 43.9-metre wing span, weight 70,000 kgs. Capabilities: Speed 600 kilometres an hour, ceiling 13,600 metres, range 11,668 kilometres, load 32,000 kgs. Armament: None. Number available: Five.
Anti terrorism unit
JTF-2
Base: Dwyer Hill, Ont Strength: Estimated to be 200 to 250 soldiers. Forces very secretive about the unit and its capabilities. Capabilities: Extremely physically fit soldiers, marksmen, trained in hostage-rescue techniques and other domestic anti-terrorist roles. Used as body guards for senior politicians and military brass in dangerous areas.

THE VANCOUVER SUN, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2001
WAR ON TERRORISM
U.S. may attack more countries
UN notified fight against terrorism could expand beyond Afghanistan
By HILARY MACKENZIE in Peshawar
BRUCEWALLACE in Cairo
NORMA GREENAWAY and ROBERT RUSSO in Washington
and JANICE TIBBETTS in Ottawa
As the United States rained bombs and cruise missiles down upon selected targets inside Afghanistan for the second consecutive night Monday and then into the daylight hours this morning, it signalled it may soon level its military might at other countries giving refuge to terrorists.
The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Negro-ponte, told the world body that the fight could be expanded beyond Afghanistan.
"We may find that our self-defence requires further actions with respect to other organizations and other states," Negro-ponte said in a letter to the 15-nation UN Security Council.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair also signalled that terrorist networks in countries such as Iraq, Iran, Libya and Syria could be attacked after the perpetrators of the American attacks had been hunted down.
"The network of international terrorism is not confined to [the Al-Qaida network]," he said.
Some military and diplomatic experts have warned the United States that immediately expanding the war might jeopardize support from fence-sitting Arab countries that are cooperating quietly with the international coalition.
But President George W. Bush, warning anew Monday that the war on terrorism would be long, promised that the U.S.-led coalition would be "relentless as we tighten the net of justice" around terrorists and the governments that protect them.
"They have roused a mighty giant," U.S. President George W. Bush said Monday, referring to the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on America.
Bush has told his advisers the videotaped statements released Sunday by Saudi exile Osama bin Laden praising the Sept. 11 attacks amount to an admission of guilt.
In the U.S., law enforcement agencies, businesses and water and power utilities were told to stay on high alert.
But the focus of much concern was on West Palm Beach, Fla., where FBI officials were investigating after a co-worker of a 63-year-old man who died of anthrax last week also tested positively for the bacteria.
Both men worked for the company that, produces several supermarket tabloids, including the National Enquirer, based in Boca Raton, Fla. The tabloid's offices were sealed and 300 other employees were being tested.
There had not been a single case of anthrax in the United States for more than 25 years before last week.
Unlike Monday's joint U.S.British bombardment, the second wave of attacks Tuesday was an all-American affair.
General Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said bombs were delivered by 20 warplanes as well as cruise missiles launched from ships once darkness fell in Afghanistan.
The Taliban sent anti-aircraft fire into skies obscured by sandstorms. Power was cut for the second consecutive night in the capital, Kabul, and Taliban Radio told residents to close the blinds on their windows and remain indoors.
As dawn broke Tuesday, most residents of Kabul assumed the raids were over. A lone jet screamed through Kabul's sky and dropped a single bomb near the airport on the north side of the city. Shortly afterward a missile streaked into the eastern edge of the capital.
Then, around 8:15 a.m. local time, jets bombed the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar in southern Afghanistan, Taliban officials said. Taliban soldiers replied with heavy anti-aircraft fire.
There was no immediate confirmation that the aircraft were part of the U.S.-led coalition against terrorism, though it seemed likely.
The Afghan Islamic Press agency in Islamabad, Pakistan, said the airport in Kabul and a hill where a TV transmission tower is located were both targets.
The agency, which has close ties to the Taliban, said one bomb landed near a 400-bed women's hospital in Kabul but made no mention of any damage.
The Taliban powerbase in Kandahar was hit in Monday's raids. In the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif, where thousands of Taliban troops are housed, was also bombed
The bombardment appeared to be aimed at the Taliban's military airfields, tanks and fighters. Before Sunday's attacks, the regime was believed to have about 15 operating fighter-bombers of Soviet vintage, and several hundred tanks and armoured vehicles.
There were also eyewitness reports early this morning that a U.S. missile fired on the capital Kabul struck a U.N.-funded Afghan demining office, killing four people and wounding one.
The missile hit the Afghan Technical Consultancy, which runs some demining operations in one of the world's most heavily mined countries, and destroyed the building, the witness said.
Four people sleeping on the third floor of the four-storey building were killed and one was wounded. The bodies of two of the dead could be seen lying in the rubble. Local hospitals confirmed the reports.
The Pentagon reported Sunday's attacks struck 31 targets, including early warning radars, ground forces, command-and-control facilities, Al-Qaida terrorist camps and airfields and aircraft.
He said the U.S. was "generally pleased" but was still awaiting preliminary battle damage assessments.
Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld admitted there was still work to do to put the Taliban out of the airwar business.
"It would be too soon to say that the Taliban air defences and aircraft and airports have been fully disabled," he told reporters at the Pentagon.
U.S. warplanes also dropped another 37,000 ration packets over Afghanistan Monday, but relief officials worried that the military-strikes were making the country's food emergency significantly worse.
The rations dropped Sunday and Monday will feed only a fraction of the 7.5 million Afghans believed to be in danger of serious hunger or starvation as cold weather approaches. On Monday the United Nations' World Food Program stopped deliveries to Afghanistan, citing the danger the fighting poses to its truck convoys. Officials said they didn't know when they could resume.
Sunday's bombing sparked small and short-lived, but violent anti-American protests on the streets of Pakistan on Monday. Most of the anger was in the border cities of Quetta and Peshawar.
Students in Peshawar shouted threats of "Kill Americans! Kill Americans!" and "Kill English-speakers” as they pelted foreigners with stones.
Heavily armed police shot tear gas at the roughly 1,000 protesters who fled down side streets.
In Quetta, a much larger demonstration torched a UNICEF office and a cinema showing American movies.
Police fired rubber bullets at the 10,000-15,000-strong mob and used tear gas to disperse the crowd. One person died and dozens were injured in the melee.
Foreign reporters were locked in their hotel and prevented from filming the demonstrations in Quetta
Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf, who earlier in the day shuffled his senior generals, appealed for calm and asked Washington to ami their missiles at terrorist training camps not at cities or civilians.
Thousands of Palestinians also took to the streets of Gaza on Monday to denounce the attacks.
In a desperate effort to suppress" embarrassing footage of Palestinians hailing bin Laden as their new; hero, Palestinian police opened fire with live ammunition and tear gas Monday on the large anti-American demonstration organized by Hamas and ordered TV cameramen not to film the evelit.
A 13-year-old boy and a 21-year-' old university student, both Palestinians, were killed in the fighting, police said.
Elsewhere in the Arab world the streets were generally quiet. So was the Egyptian government of President Hosni Mubarak, which withheld any public pronouncement on the Anglo-American air strikes. That silence unsettled some Western observers, who noted that Mubarak is the linchpin of Arab moderation and wondered why there was not even a cautious expression of support. "It's what wasn't said that is worrying," said one Western diplomat.
With files from Sun news services



С ув., Мазут
От Vadim
К Мазут (09.10.2001 18:50:06)
Дата 09.10.2001 20:31:18

A вот кому гaрячeнькиe!

Привeтствую

Kaк жe, здeсь дaвно зaявляют, что и Aвстрaлия собирaeтся "флaгом помaxaть". Один фрeгaт с дeжурствa в Пeрс. Зaливe нe вeрнули, и вот 150 СAСовцeв в тaнкeрax-трaнспортникax ждут (нe считaя тex, кто трeнировaлся совмeстно с соотв. aмeрикaнскими и бритaнскими подрaздeлeниями, и про которыx мeстныe влaсти говорят, что нe коммeнтируют, eсть ли они в рaйонe Aфгaнa ужe). В общeм - до 1000 чeловeк обeщaют, и грозятся, что рaссчитывaют нa зaтяжную войну.

Troops could go 'any time'

By MARK FORBES
CANBERRA
Wednesday 10 October 2001

The deployment of Australians into action against Afghanistan could be imminent, Prime Minister John Howard has signalled, stating that a request for Special Air Service troops could be received in less than 24 hours.

Mr Howard yesterday said he asked United States Vice-President Dick Cheney on Monday when Australian troops would be required and was told it would be "further down the track".

"As of now we have not received a request but that could change within the space of 24 hours or even less," he told ABC radio.

Air strikes to disable communications, terrorist targets and other installations were likely to continue for some time, he said.

"If they're very successful first up then that will bring forward the point at which, for example, you might use ground troops," Mr Howard said. "If they're not so successful or they take a longer period of time, that would put it back."

So far more than 1000 troops, including a 150-man SAS squadron, refuelling and reconnaissance aircraft, two frigates and a command ship, have been committed to the US-led coalition.
Говорили о "Орионe" вродe бы, и "Commando" RAR.

Mr Howard denied that Australia's contribution was a political gesture rather than a military necessity. "It is not just a political gesture; certainly the public statement of support for the American position is important, but it has gone a step further than that and that has been acknowledged by President Bush when he made his statement yesterday."

Defence and intelligence officials also briefed Opposition Leader Kim Beazley for an hour yesterday, in keeping with parliamentary convention in an election campaign.

Meanwhile New South Wales Police Commissioner Peter Ryan has warned that the risk of domestic terrorism would escalate once Australian troops became involved.

- with PHILLIP HUDSON

http://theage.com.au/news/national/2001/10/10/FFX6QO9LKSC.html

The success of the ground attacks is likely to determine how soon Australian troops will be deployed.

Australian special forces could be deployed to Afghanistan within hours, according to Prime Minister John Howard. The reconnaissance squadron and support elements of the Perth-based Special Air Service regiment are on short notice to move.

They will be transported to the conflict zone on two RAAF Boeing 707 air-to-air refuelling aircraft.

Mr Howard said the timeframe for deployment would depend on the success of the US strikes.
От Vadim
К Vadim (09.10.2001 20:31:18)
Дата 09.10.2001 20:46:27

Re: A вот...

Привeтствую

A вот кaкaя прэлeсть про пeрсонaл ООН - aу, гдe ты, милaй (тожe aвстрaлиeц) Бaттлeр, которого турнул Сaддaм "низaщо" зa шпионaж.

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,3000626%255E15802,00.html

Australian soldiers brief US military
By BRUCE WILSON in Islamabad
October 07, 2001
A GROUP of retired Australian army officers and NCOs, some of whom spent years in Afghanistan, are believed to have been briefing the US-led coalition aiming at capturing Osama bin Laden and overthrowing the Taliban.

The soldiers were evacuated from the Afghan capital Kabul last week with other UN personnel who were kicked out so the Taliban could loot food warehouses.

The Australians had been field security officers for UN bases in Afghanistan and were commanded by former lieutenant colonel Alan Brimelow, who served in the Australian armoured corps and is thought to have been in Afghanistan for six years.

Colonel Brimelow would not comment but UN sources said such ready-to-use intelligence from experienced soldiers will be invaluable.

The elite troops were there with the full approval of Russian Premier Vladimir Putin – a remarkable diplomatic turnaround.

...

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A это "вчeрaшниe новости" о мeтодax СAС:


Veterans tell of deadly SAS game
October 07, 2001
AUSTRALIA'S SAS troops will play a deadly game of hide and seek in Afghanistan.

The soldiers are expected to play a major reconnaissance role, tracking Taliban army movements in the lead-up to a bombing campaign.

Former SAS soldiers have told the Sunday Herald Sun the Australian troops would work in self-sufficient five-man teams.

"They can live out there for months," a veteran said. "They have trained for this work around the world."

He said the soldiers were likely to be disguised in traditional Arabic dress and would be working with the Northern Alliance, the guerillas trying to overthrow the Taliban.

"The SAS will observe Taliban troop movements, tank movements, fuel supplies, water supplies and the hottest areas for activity," he said.

"They will also be there when the bombings start to let the Allies know if they are hitting targets."

The former soldier said that if a prolonged mission inside Afghanistan was needed, the regiment would hide arms and food supplies.

The caches would be stowed in the mountains when they arrived and would be visited only once every few months for re-supply.

He said the SAS would work for weeks gathering intelligence on their enemy.

Information would be sent via a coded communication system to a satellite and on to a command base.

Under the coded system, detailed coded messages are written on a portable screen, similar to a computer screen and then sent in a single, one second burst that is impossible to detect.

The soldier said the SAS also would have the capacity to use bombing beacons to direct attacks.

The beacons, about the size of a cigarette pack, communicate co-ordinates to a plane, either directing a bomb to the beacon or to a position entered into the beacon's database.

One veteran said SAS teams might also have a role as "a killing team".

"If they find bin Laden they could well be instructed to kill him," he said.

"Taking him alive may lead to more attacks by his supporters in a bid to free him."

От Мазут
К Vadim (09.10.2001 20:46:27)
Дата 10.10.2001 01:59:20

Ага, интересно.... гы

Мир вам,

Самое-то прикольное в том, что США очевидно общаются только с Блэром и все действия идут с бритами, а об австралийцах и канадцах ни слова. Такое ощущение, что и канадцам и австралийцам хочется просто показать свою лояльность.
Да глупо это! В обеих странах - гигантские мусульманские общины, которые автоматически ставятся в положение - если и не париев, то каких-то не совсем "приличных родственников".

Вчера в Британской Колумбии уважаемые мусульмане сказали просто - "у нас там родня и если вы думаете, что вы будете бомбить моего брата, а я буду сидеть и смотреть, то вы делаете большую ошибку." Это было заявлено при газетах и тв, у одной из самых больших мечетей ванкувера..... :(

Вот так, блин, желание покататься на фрегатах в индийском океане превратится в п@#%юлей дома.

>A вот кaкaя прэлeсть про пeрсонaл ООН - aу, гдe ты, милaй (тожe aвстрaлиeц) Бaттлeр, которого турнул Сaддaм "низaщо" зa шпионaж.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,3000626%255E15802,00.html


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От Exeter
К Мазут (09.10.2001 18:50:06)
Дата 09.10.2001 19:45:43

Да, без канадских противолодочных фрегатов против талибов просто никуда... :-))) (-)
От А.Никольский
К Exeter (09.10.2001 19:45:43)
Дата 09.10.2001 20:11:23

А вдруг они подводного камикадзе пошлют? (-)
От Alex Medvedev
К Мазут (09.10.2001 18:50:06)
Дата 09.10.2001 19:29:36

А какой у них официальный сайт ВС? (-)
От Мазут
К Alex Medvedev (09.10.2001 19:29:36)
Дата 09.10.2001 19:34:48

http://www.dnd.ca/

Мир вам,

http://www.dnd.ca/

С ув., Мазут