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Дата 06.10.2002 16:19:00
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Самый свежий случай китайского "воровства"

Это вроде бы "Супер Фрелон" который они безлицензионно делают с середины 80-х гг под обозначением Z-8.

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От Antipode
К Exeter (06.10.2002 16:19:00)
Дата 06.10.2002 16:24:00

Re: Самый свежий...

И яблоки (черенки на развод) у нас воруют гады! :((
От М.Старостин
К Exeter (06.10.2002 16:19:00)
Дата 06.10.2002 23:25:00

Re: Самый свежий...

> Это вроде бы "Супер Фрелон" который они безлицензионно делают с середины 80-х гг под обозначением Z-8.

AS.321G производился по лицензии в Китае в 1989-1994гг. под обозначением Z-8. Поставлено 7 вертолетов Z-8 для флота КНР.



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    От Exeter
    К М.Старостин (06.10.2002 23:25:00)
    Дата 07.10.2002 21:03:00

    По лицензии??

    Здравствуйте уважаемый М.Старостин!

    > > Это вроде бы "Супер Фрелон" который они безлицензионно делают с середины 80-х гг под обозначением Z-8.
    > AS.321G производился по лицензии в Китае в 1989-1994гг. под обозначением Z-8.

    Е:
    В том-то и дело что я нигде не встречал точных упоминаний что они его делают именно ПО ЛИЦЕНЗИИ - в отличие от Z-9 о лицензионном соглашении на который пишут везде. А вот в случае с Z-8 похоже никакой лицензией и не пахнет.

    Jane's Fighting Ships 1999/2000 o Z-8:

    ASW helicopter SA 321G delivered from France but now
    being supplemented by locally built Zhi-8 of which the first operational
    aircraft was delivered in late 1991. Thomson Sintra HS-12 in four SA 321Gs
    for SSBN escort role. Sensors: HS-12 dipping sonar and processor some
    have French-built search radar. Weapons: ASW Whitehead A244 or Yu-2
    (Mk 46 Mod 1) torpedo. ASV C-802K ASM.


    Jane's All the World Aircraft:

    CHAIC Z-8
    Chinese name: Zhishengji-8 (Vertical take-off aircraft 8)
    TYPE: Multirole military and civil helicopter.
    PROGRAMME: Design work begun 1976 but suspended from 1979 to
    mid-1984 initial flight of first prototype 11 December 1985 second
    prototype October 1987 domestic type approval awarded 8 April 1989
    first Z-8 handed over to PLA Naval Air Force for service trials 5
    August 1989 initial production approved final design approval
    granted 12 November 1994. Applications can include troop transport
    ASW/ASV search and rescue minelaying/sweeping aerial survey and
    firefighting.
    CURRENT VERSIONS: Standard version as described.
    CUSTOMERS: Total of 12 delivered to Chinese People's Navy (apparently
    the only customer so far) by end of 1996.
    DESIGN FEATURES: Chinese equivalent of Aerospatiale Super Frelon (see
    1982-83 Jane's) of which 16 were supplied to the People's Navy in
    1977-78. Six-blade main rotor and five-blade tail rotor boat-hull
    fuselage with watertight compartments inside planing bottom
    stabilising float at rear each side attached to small stub-wing
    small strut-braced fixed horizontal stabiliser on starboard side of
    tail rotor pylon. Search radar in nose `thimble' on SAR version.

    Как видите здесь фигурирует термин "китайский эквивалент" "Супер Фрелона". И снова ни слова о лицензии.


    А вот специальный "джейнсовский" выпуск 1997 г "China's Aerospace Industry":

    В разделе "Вертолеты" прямо говорится что Z-8 является именно "копией":
    "Z-8 which
    was a copy of a foreign design (French SA-321G "Super Frelon")".

    Ничего не говорится о лицензионности и на сайте     http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/aviation/z8.asp
    Наоборот по смыслу подразумевается немного обратное:
    "Changhe began the reverse engineering work of the 'Super Frelon' in 1976. The first flight of Chinese-made 'Super Frelon' which was designated as Z-8 took place on 11th Dec 1985. However due to various technical problems only a small number of Z-8s (fewer than 20) have been built fifteen years after the first flight".

    А вот с http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/z-8_z-9_z-11.htm :

    "Z-8 is a land or ship based ASW/SAR helicopter based upon French SA-321Ja Super Frelon (13 were bought in the late 70s serial numbers 94x6 95x6). The helicopter was developed in the 80s by Changhe Aircraft Industrial Corporation (CHAIC) and its development gave the Chinese valuable experience of designing a medium-sized helicopter. Its maximum TO weight is 13t the cruise speed is 248km/h and ferry range is 800km. Its powerplant are 3 WZ-6 turboshafts. For ASW mission Z-8 is equipped with a surface search radar French HS-12 dipping sonar while carrying a Y-7 torpedo (MK 46 mod 1) under the starboard side of the fuselage. It may also carry YJ-8K/C-801K or YJ-82K/C-802K ASMs in the future for anti-ship mission. Some Z-8s are able to embark upon Luhu & Luda II class DDG. So far a few (12?) Z-8s (serial number 90x7) have been delivered to PLAN. However they have suffered quality problems which hampered further orders from the Navy. An army transport version called Z-8A was also developed and a prototype already flew. Two were delievered to the army for testing in 2001. If it enters the production this medium tranport helicopter would further enhance PLA Army's rapid deployment capability."


    Далее. Сайт http://www.china-military.org/units/9xx7.htm :

    "Chinese manufactured Z-8 which is a copy of the French Sa-321."



    Поставлено 7 вертолетов Z-8 для флота КНР.

    Е:
    Как видите большинство источников дают цифры от 12 до 20 причем производство видимо продолжается.

    Кстати Z-11 китаезы по всей видимости тоже содрали - с "Экюрея".

    С уважением Exeter.