От KL
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Дата 28.09.2009 02:27:16
Рубрики 1936-1945 гг.;

Шильдик испанского самолета I-16

This interesting ID tag was found by spanish researcher Isaac Montoya:

Шильдик испанского И-16
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My toughts:
By the end of March 1938 Zavod 21 made some 3500 I-16s. Type 10 production started in February 1938. In 1938 Zavod completed 1070 I-16s or some 90 machines per month.

354 is seriya, but how many planes in seriya? Only 10??? SB bombers were made in series of 20.

nº 124 is most likely 124th plane of the Type 10

Questions:

How many planes in Zavod 21 Seriya? 10 only or maybe 100? If 100 planes, maybe we should read this number as 35/4?

Can anybody confirm that no 124 is 124th I-16 Type 10?

What is OTK 2/30 ??

What is L 240 ?

Is this a standard I-16 ID tag or a special "export" tag?

С уважением
Konstantin
От Rutil28
К KL (28.09.2009 02:27:16)
Дата 28.09.2009 13:19:32

Re: Шильдик испанского...

>This interesting ID tag was found by spanish researcher Isaac Montoya:

Это выглядит как шильдик с одного из агрегатов. Мне кажется это не номер планера.
This one looks like a tag taken from some subassembly. It seems to me, it is not an airframe number.

На обломках самолетов завода №21 находятся номера вида 1021909.
Remains of Zavod #21 aircraft indicate numbers like 1021909.

Еще пример. На машине №5153141 были выявлены следующие шильдики:
Some other example. On the airframe №5153141 the following tags where found:

Серия 5-11 № 153 26.11.38
Серия 5-11 № 15 25.12.38
Серия 202 №19 21.12.38
Серия 5 70 № 28.1.39

>Can anybody confirm that no 124 is 124th I-16 Type 10?

Не я.
Not me.

>What is OTK 2/30 ??

ОТК stands for QA - Quality Assurance. 2/30 is a 'stamp' assigned for some QA technician.

>Is this a standard I-16 ID tag or a special "export" tag?

Выглядит совершенно стандартным.
Looks absolutely standard.

Regards,
rutil28
От KL
К Rutil28 (28.09.2009 13:19:32)
Дата 28.09.2009 20:38:08

How many planes in Zavod 21 "Seriya"???

Thanks for the explanations.
Also thanks for the English translation. I can understand Russian, so you may write in Russian only.

>Это выглядит как шильдик с одного из агрегатов. Мне кажется это не номер планера.

This does make sense. "Zavodskie nomer" is clearly missing.
Could letter "Л" mean "Left" - like "Left wing" or "left lending gear strut"?

>>Can anybody confirm that no 124 is 124th I-16 Type 10?
>Не я.

This is to bad. It fits so nicely with the date 29 3 1938г.
And Seriya 354 fits almost perfectly with 3500 planes made by 29 March 1938.

Again my question from yesterday:
How many I-16 in pre-war Zavod 21 "Seriya"?

And one similar:
How many LaGG-3 in Zavod 21 "Seriya"?

Thanks in advance,
Konstantin
От Rutil28
К KL (28.09.2009 20:38:08)
Дата 28.09.2009 23:14:31

Re: How many...

>Also thanks for the English translation. I can understand Russian, so you may write in Russian only.

Отлично. Я ведь ленивый... ;)

>Could letter "Л" mean "Left" - like "Left wing" or "left lending gear strut"?

Мне кажется маловероятным. Но возможным.

>>>Can anybody confirm that no 124 is 124th I-16 Type 10?
>>Не я.

Но могу сказать, что машины с номером 1021124 мне пока нигде в частях ВВС РККА не попадалось. Рекомендую адресовать вопрос Сергею Абросову.

>This is to bad. It fits so nicely with the date 29 3 1938г.
>And Seriya 354 fits almost perfectly with 3500 planes made by 29 March 1938.

Повторюсь, серия может быть чего угодно. И еще - дата 29.3.38 относится к агрегату. А в пределах одной машины разброс дат изготовления компонентов достоверно может достигать 2-х месяце. Не удивлюсь, если выяснится, что эта машина была сдана в июне или июле 1938 года.

И еще я очень сомневаюсь в существовании сквозной нумерации серий - хотя бы от тип 4 до тип 10.

>Again my question from yesterday:
>How many I-16 in pre-war Zavod 21 "Seriya"?

Не знаю. Для бомбардировщиков (заводы №18,22,125 и пр.) серии были 10 и 20 машин.

>And one similar:
>How many LaGG-3 in Zavod 21 "Seriya"?

Помниться, вроде, 50 машин. Но возможно ошибаюсь.
От KL
К Rutil28 (28.09.2009 23:14:31)
Дата 29.09.2009 00:49:39

Re: How many...

Hi Rutil,

Thanks again. Excellent information, as usual.

>Не удивлюсь, если выяснится, что эта машина была сдана в июне или июле 1938 года.

You are correct! I-16 Type 10 arrived in Spain in summer 1938, so it's quite possible that some of them were completed as late as June 1938.

Regards,
Konstantin
От KL
К KL (29.09.2009 00:49:39)
Дата 29.09.2009 21:28:12

Испански И-16 тип 10

Some numbers from I. Montoya, based on Hronologiya Rodionova:

Zavod 21 production from January 1938 to July 1938:

January----------------- 99 planes
February---------------- 84 "
March------------------- 58 "
April---------------------- none
May---------------------- none
June--------------------- 45 planes
July---------------------- 38 "

Total-------------------- 324 planes

By “Type” Zavod 21 made:

Type 5-------------------- 195
Type10--------------------129

Almost all Type 10 planes were sent to Spain:
Out of 129 I-16 Type 10 made, 121 planes were sent to Spain. 31 planes were sent in March 1938, the other 90 planes were sent in June, July and August 1938.

I found this information quite interesting. One may think of “Type 10” almost as an export model. It became available to VVS only 6 months after the beginning of the production.
Eventually Type 10 become the most produced I-16 sub-type.
Comments?

С уважением,
Konstantin
От Rutil28
К KL (29.09.2009 21:28:12)
Дата 30.09.2009 00:55:31

Re: Испански И-16...

>Some numbers from I. Montoya, based on Hronologiya Rodionova:

>Zavod 21 production from January 1938 to July 1938:

>January----------------- 99 planes
>February---------------- 84 "
>March------------------- 58 "
>April---------------------- none
>May---------------------- none
>June--------------------- 45 planes
>July---------------------- 38 "

>Total-------------------- 324 planes

>By “Type” Zavod 21 made:

>Type 5-------------------- 195
>Type10--------------------129

>Almost all Type 10 planes were sent to Spain:
>Out of 129 I-16 Type 10 made, 121 planes were sent to Spain. 31 planes were sent in March 1938, the other 90 planes were sent in June, July and August 1938.

>I found this information quite interesting. One may think of “Type 10” almost as an export model. It became available to VVS only 6 months after the beginning of the production.
>Eventually Type 10 become the most produced I-16 sub-type.
>Comments?

Есть.
1)тип 10 можно считать экспортной моделью только на 1-ю половину 1938 года. Если же взять долю экспорта за весь период выпуска - так она вряд-ли превысит 20%.
2)тип 10 не был наиболее массово выпускавшимся типом И-16. Тип 5 (и тип 24 ?) было поболе построено.
3)я не уверен в полноте данных хроники Родионова, при всем уважении к автору.

От KL
К Rutil28 (30.09.2009 00:55:31)
Дата 30.09.2009 21:49:42

У кого есть это фото шильдика И-16?

Прошу помочь!

Does anybody have a photo of Zavod 21 I-16 ID tag?

We need photo of the main, principal tag which shows “Zavodsikiy Nomer”.
A tag from a museum I-16, a tag from a wreck or a tag from private collection would work.

Where was this tag located on the plane?

Заранее спасибо!!!
Konstantin
От KL
К KL (30.09.2009 21:49:42)
Дата 30.09.2009 21:58:40

У кого есть фото шильдика И-16?

Correct title!!!

Прошу помочь!

Does anybody have a photo of Zavod 21 I-16 ID tag?

We need photo of the main, principal tag which shows “Zavodsikiy Nomer”.
A tag from a museum I-16, a tag from a wreck or a tag from private collection would work.

Where was this tag located on the plane?

Заранее спасибо!!!
Konstantin
От Rutil28
К KL (30.09.2009 21:58:40)
Дата 30.09.2009 23:11:16

Re: У кого...

>We need photo of the main, principal tag which shows “Zavodsikiy Nomer”.
>A tag from a museum I-16, a tag from a wreck or a tag from private collection would work.

Номер дублировался в нескольких местах - выбивался на капотах. Несколько таких есть с - с тип 10 и тип 17. "Главный шильдик" мне ни разу не попадался.